*Artist is an odd term. I think it's something that someone needs to be applied to you, rather than you applying it to yourself. I understand not wanting to throw the term around, but at the same time, I don't like the idea of it being an elite club or only using the term for professionals that are only mass producing garbage. The latter is something you see a lot in the anime fandom (yeah, yeah, I KNOW) especially at cons.*
Well, I didn't mean to say "all professionals". And thre are some people who've never been paid for their work who are definitely artists. There are some so called professionals that have, for instances, sold out their talent to be mass produced, or even produced by other artists in their style for the purpose of mass production. I don't call that art any more, even though I may have admired their work in the beginning. That is a difficult argument because even the great classic artists like Michaelangelo, once they made a name, had other artists working beneath him to produce his works. It's on a grander scale in modern times though with commercialism being what it has become.
I have a friend, who has produced artwork in the style of other artists for the purpose of mass production. I mean she's talented in her own right and has her own style, but the fact that she is versatile enough to have her own style AND be able to mimic other people's style...I think that's amazing and to me she is a very talented artist. Incidentally, she's one of my personal heroes, one of my very best friends and someone who's talent I likely wrongly measure mine against. So if she's an artist, how could I ever be?
* What's the proper term for people who work with silver? *
A silversmith. However, they often get lumped into a group called "artisans". To me an artisan takes existing things (like store bought beads etc) and assembles them into a new piece. I've had this discussion before, as I feel like artisan is applied to someone "less than" an artist. When I create my silver work, I don't think I'm being any less artistic than someone that creates a master work in art. I'm not master silversmith, but I'm still pretty darn creative and original in my pieces.
*Pyat summed up hipsters pretty well. I'd also like to add that while posers will cling onto another cultural movement when struggling and failing to understand it, hipsters are a cultural movement unto themselves. This is mostly due to numbers, their position in the class structure and the same lose sense of cultural morals. Otherwise, they'd be hard to group up.
And as annoying as posers are, they do have potential*
So are posers and wannabe's the same thing?
(however, I might be a touch too idealist here). Someone trying to be a poser in geek culture could be shut off from the full culture for reasons beyond their control. They could move on into a full cultural role when that is lifted. A hipster, on the other hand, will drop any cultural role as soon as something more shiny comes along. Again, I'm stereotyping, but its hard to sum this up without resorting to that.
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Date: 2009-02-08 08:07 pm (UTC)Well, I didn't mean to say "all professionals". And thre are some people who've never been paid for their work who are definitely artists. There are some so called professionals that have, for instances, sold out their talent to be mass produced, or even produced by other artists in their style for the purpose of mass production. I don't call that art any more, even though I may have admired their work in the beginning. That is a difficult argument because even the great classic artists like Michaelangelo, once they made a name, had other artists working beneath him to produce his works. It's on a grander scale in modern times though with commercialism being what it has become.
I have a friend, who has produced artwork in the style of other artists for the purpose of mass production. I mean she's talented in her own right and has her own style, but the fact that she is versatile enough to have her own style AND be able to mimic other people's style...I think that's amazing and to me she is a very talented artist. Incidentally, she's one of my personal heroes, one of my very best friends and someone who's talent I likely wrongly measure mine against. So if she's an artist, how could I ever be?
* What's the proper term for people who work with silver? *
A silversmith. However, they often get lumped into a group called "artisans". To me an artisan takes existing things (like store bought beads etc) and assembles them into a new piece. I've had this discussion before, as I feel like artisan is applied to someone "less than" an artist. When I create my silver work, I don't think I'm being any less artistic than someone that creates a master work in art. I'm not master silversmith, but I'm still pretty darn creative and original in my pieces.
*Pyat summed up hipsters pretty well. I'd also like to add that while posers will cling onto another cultural movement when struggling and failing to understand it, hipsters are a cultural movement unto themselves. This is mostly due to numbers, their position in the class structure and the same lose sense of cultural morals. Otherwise, they'd be hard to group up.
And as annoying as posers are, they do have potential*
So are posers and wannabe's the same thing?
(however, I might be a touch too idealist here). Someone trying to be a poser in geek culture could be shut off from the full culture for reasons beyond their control. They could move on into a full cultural role when that is lifted. A hipster, on the other hand, will drop any cultural role as soon as something more shiny comes along. Again, I'm stereotyping, but its hard to sum this up without resorting to that.