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Okay, so cranky people of the internet can be aware: I SAW WATCHMEN. This now validates all of the opinions I've held. Interestingly enough, the big ones didn't change

I enjoyed Watchmen. It isn't a perfect movie and it's hard for me to judge if I'm a good point of view for discussing a film version, since I've read the comic. I heard it's hard to follow if you haven't read it yet - can anyone confirm that or is it just random people complaining?

Eh, I'll quickly do some point form thoughts under the cut.

- I liked the opening credits, although the effect probably works better on the big screen. It also only really works if you've read the book, since many of the characters are only mentioned in passing.

- WHY is the name "Crimebusters" changed to "Watchmen"? I feel like I'm being treated like an idiot. "Viewers won't know what the title refers to! We need to make it more clear!"

- Ah yes, the gay panic thing. I know some people have talked about there being papers online already about this. I'm very curious and want to read them. There are some points that seem to be comments related to the LGBT community that really serve no purpose except being there. They are references to things from the comic book, but I felt that in the context of the comic they mostly served to flesh out that Rorschach had deep issues with his sexuality.

- Manhattan's penis. From everyone's comments, I was expecting this to be wagging in my face. It was out of scale with the one from the comic, but there was less of it than I was expecting.

- Fight scenes. I think that most of these were just padding or an excuse to make this movie more of a super hero movie.

- Ugh, the rape related stuff. I think that the movie was too light with the emotional fallout from this. There's some attempts at it, but I think fall flat.

- Was I the only person who thought that the Tears for Fears song was funny but might have been a misfire? It's not really anything more than a strange, awkward joke. I laughed, but still.

- I'm greatly amused that the political figures are played to the point of parody. Check out Nixon's nose!

- The guy who played Kissinger especially cracked me up.

- I perfered the comic version of the Blair Roche incident.

- WHY DID THEY CUT VEIDT ON THE TV DURING THAT SEX SCENE? That was the best part of the epic fail! :(

- Third sex scene was awkward. I think that they were attempting comedy that late into the story, because of how dark the movie gets. Like the fight scenes, I think this was padding when none was needed.

- I think the movie drives home the complex relationship between Nite Owl and Rorschach, but I'm undecided on if they're too blunt getting the point across. I picked up on it in the comic, but in the movie, it's more direct. I do think it's one of the more interesting subplots in the book, especially when you mirror Rorschach's fall to the Comedian's fall.

- The ending is passable. I like the squid because the squid is just so over the top and I kinda miss him. And yes, I DID see the Squid monitor.

- There are a lot of subtle details in the film, including some that Laura was picking up for just the first time.

- That said, there are a lot of subplots cut out for time. Some of these make sense, but others, like the fate of Hollis, would clear up some of the main plot. I don't feel that the film is incomplete in the format it's presented in and adding things like the Tales of the Black Freighter would serve only as fan service. Tales of the Black Freighter is neat, but it's tied deeply to the squid plot, which is tossed out completely in the film. Unless the filmmakers can prove outside, I don't think the movie can gain anything from it.

- On a final note, I was amused by the reference to The Architects of Fear. This, again, makes me wonder if a good amount of this film is just intended for fan service. This would explain why WB is cranking about the numbers that the film is getting - they wanted the fanboys to push it forward.

And now that all that is said and done, I please remember that I did enjoy the film. I just think too much.

Date: 2009-03-20 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-in-limbo.livejournal.com
I think with that third scene that Zack was trying to push buttons and limits the way that Alan and Dave did in the comic back in the 80s. It still wasn't pornographic, but it was visceral and taken to a point where very few Hollywood films have dared to go. As uncomfortable as that may have been for many people, I think the entire sequence would have lost its teeth if they hadn't made it as sweaty and angsty and drawn out as it had been. It wasn't tender and sweet, and it wasn't cleverly faded away from before the point of how messed up these two really were was made.

I think the LGBT stuff was handled about as well as it could be. I personally felt that the credit sequence and Rorschach's rundown of the deaths on his way to the research base were a bit awkward, but sadly necessary.

Still, I don't think Zack made a misstep there, because my wife had never read the graphic novel, and she was able to follow the plot. I'd have preferred the squid plot, though. The film is a bit too earnest at times, and lacks the gonzo SCI-FI!-ness of Veidt's original plan. I dearly wish that they would put that back in for the DVD. Doc Manhattan was leaving anyway, so that was convenient, but frankly, it leaves the country with a 'real' reason to hate costumed heroes, which muddies what Dan and Laurie get up to after the story is over.


Date: 2009-03-20 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commanderteddog.livejournal.com
Oh, no. I'm not going "OMG! SEX! DIRTY". At the same time, it felt really... out of place? Like it dragged longer than it should have? I'm not sure, but I know that I wasn't looking for it to be gentle and sweet. You are correct, though, that it was meant to show that Dan and Laurie were just as messed in the head as everyone else.

I'm thinking more about the side comment about Hooded Justice in the attempted rape scene, although the bit with Silhouette in the opening was a bit strange. I thought she kept her sexuality a guarded secret and there she was making a public display.

I felt the squid also worked because it gave everyone a threat that they saw as being outside of Earth, so Earth HAD to unite against what appeared to be an evil alien. I also liked that Veidt didn't just work only scientists into the plot, but also artists and the like because he knew that it wouldn't work on just a blunt display of power. It needed to be truly horrific on an aesthetic level and there in lies Veidt's genius. The whole plan was so over the top, but it worked perfectly.

The movie ending twists that meaning somewhat and I felt that it was pretty much kicking Manhattan when he was already down, although it also raises the question of why Veidt bothered with the cancer plot on Manhattan's end in the movie. It's like Vedit won on accident. On the public's end, it was clearly meant to raise fear, but I'm curious if Veidt understood the full extend of the emotional impact that would have on the Manhattan after the plan was carried through. I was under the imppression that Veidt only planned for the plot to get Manhattan off the planet so he couldn't stop the attacks. Veidt was also setting Manhattan up to be a phantom threat, much like the squid, but it also seems that he was planning to kill off Manhattan to carry that through. Maybe to keep Earth forever searching for something that doesn't exist? That plan backfires, but Manhattan leaves Earth anyway after all that emotional trama. It seems to fit way too nicely.

And then there's that whole issue with Dan and Laurie fighting crime after the fact, which didn't dawn on me. You're right - that's going to be REALLY AWKWARD.


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